BrushYrTeeth

52 minutes ago, aly said:

I don't understand this thread anymore... Feel like people are attacking Cupsu for no reason. You asked for opinions/views but are unhappy with some??

As a buyer, I take their rules into consideration and always go into buying art with a full heart. I personally have A LOT of art that i bought from people reselling, which makes me happy because I was never able to be fast enough to get it myself. I think it's all up to the artist!

i don't think anyone was directly attacking cupsu. they jsut disagreed with their opinion and wanted to further discuss it. it truly was a fair discussion.

It was a very productive conversation about what the limits of an artist's rights.

i learned more than i knew before and i would assume everyone else involved too. I feel a lot of us agree that reselling art, when done right, can be good! 

reselling art has alot of cons, but it also has lots of pro's. like you said, you can buy art you would've never had the chance to buy. i understand how 

some responses may seem hostile, but i doubt that was the intent. alismora stated they really just want to know our opinions on it ! if they dont fully understand our motives , 

its reasonable to ask for context. 

at the end of the day, its the artist's decision and we have to respect that whether we agree or not! the customer isn't forced to buy art

from someone who doesnt allow for trades/resells.

4 hours ago, Milkpaw said:

I can see both sides to this -mainly towards art for OCs; As I avoid DPs as much as possible

I use to get upset when someone would ask me to resell something of mine that I put my time into, and sometimes really liked the end result. It hurt my feelings to an extent. I felt like my art wasn't worth it to them to own anymore. However, I know view it differently. I would rather my art go to someone who has intentions to use it, rather than it sitting in someones folders/stash/imgur/etc. collecting dust and never being used. I personally do this. I won't delete art made for me, even if I got it from free shops, as it's made for.. me. But I no longer have intentions to use them and I don't think I ever will use these pieces that are in this folder of mine anymore. I am not a person who likes to associate with IMVU anymore. 160x220 art to me = IMVU art. This is why I no longer really purchase art on here. Even after disbanding from IMVU as a whole, it is still attached to it too much for comfort. DA is where I purchase my art now (Besides from a few artists on here like Luxor, PrincePol, Mishtqiues, etc.) because most artists on there are fully aware that 99% of their art is going towards a original character that it could possibly by sold at any given moment, even before you finish the art they commissioned you in certain cases. As someone whose spent a lot of money on characters that I have owned for years at a time, I feel like I should have the right to re-sell a character and it's art I purchased. As it's my money I spent? *Hoarding a character to resell simply for more money is a no-no tho* Obviously I have no intentions of getting more than what I spent. I go out of my way to avoid artists I know don't allow you to resell art or don't offer art outside of 160x220, and if I do happen to have an artist that doesn't allow it *as I know a few that I order from that don't allow it* I let the new owner know they cannot  use it - and it can only b

e used as a visual reference for the character / other art and I deduct it from the total price since they cannot personally use it and I am not allowed to resell it. IMO I feel like reselling should be allowed. This is why I am moving to DA slowly. People don't take reselling personal. We understand that you've put your time, effort, etc. into these pieces. But I'd much rather it go to someone else who has intentions to use it and not collect dust; as I said - I personally wont use it because I fell out of love or lost interest in a character I got the art of. 

as an artist who does mainly art that is not intended for imvu dp's and is quite active on DA, i still wouldn't allow someone to resell my art of their character. I don't think that someone else should profit off my work.id' be much more lenient if a previous buyer wanted to trade a character and my art was collateral in that. If you don't buy art from someone just because they dont allow reselling,  You are probably buying with the intent of someday reselling their art. honestly, if someone doesnt enjoy the art i drew for them anymore, thats okay! but just because you don't enjoy it anymore doesnt give you the right to profit off of it. 

4 hours ago, Milkpaw said:

I let the new owner know they cannot  use it - and it can only be used as a visual reference for the character / other art and I deduct it from the total price since they cannot personally use it and I am not allowed to resell it.

i do believe this violates copyright laws. the artist you buy from gives you the rights to use their art- not ownership. if they do not give you rights to resell it, they also didn't give the person youreselling it to rights to use it as reference. if they posted it anywhere, even as reference, they are violating the artists' copyright. 

i have mixed feelings about this! I feel that there are appropriate ways to trade/resell art and inappropriate ones. it's also very different when comparing custom and premade art. overall it's way too easy for people to exploit.

for example; i personally have a few oc's. i buy art for them, draw them, the works. but i have, in the past, realized i dislike one of the designs and just let this beautiful art sit in my sta.sh. i gave the entire character design and any art of the character to a close friend. i made sure all the artists knew and agreed to it. if a buyer reached out to me and asked if they could have permission to trade away the art i drew and were also trading the oc design, id be okay w it. That, in my eyes, is just re homing the art and design with no ill intent. if someone wanted to resell/trade my art of their oc but was going to keep the design of the character i would refuse. if they wanted to resell my art in general, id refuse. that seems like a quick way to gather new art and an easy way to get money.

i dont do premades so i dont fully understand how premade artists might feel. heres my two cents though. If you arent happy enough with the piece to keep it forever, dont buy it. Dont buy premades with the intent to trade them like pokemon cards. if you used the premade for 2 years and want a change, i suppose trading it away with permission for a different premade isn't horrible. if someone is trying to resell, that 100% seems like a cash grab. even if they resell it for 10-20 dollars, thats 20 dollars they wouldnt have had before.

i will never give a buyer permission to sell my art.  i will never give permission for a buyer to trade my art as a form of currency (i.e. "ill give you this drawing if you draw my oc")

tldr; if you want to resell/trade art get the artists permission. reselling art 100% seems like an easy way to exploit artists. if youre going to trade custom art, you must also trade the character. if youre going to trade a premade, you may only trade it for a different premade. 

this may be hard to explain but it makes sense in my head!

i think an event where there is a brief description of a character and we have to draw our interpretation of it. community can vote on the 3 best designs!

the description could have specific things (curly hair, long eyelashes, tall boots) but also leave out key details (gender, weight, skin tone, overall aesthetic)

i love designing characters and it would be super fun to see how different people interpret instructions ! 

also maybe then people will understand why artists ask for SPECIFIC instructions when you order art :')

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a large scale collaboration event would be fun too! we are randomly assigned partners and randomly assigned the part we do :-)

the 'before' isnt exactly the same as the after- but i drew it with the intentions of being the same and went a lil rogue

the before was drawn in in 2016 right after fnafsl came out ! i was 12!

my love of strange lighting has only grown! i'm super proud of how the new version came out 

and im excited to see how much more i progress

before (2016)                                after (2020)